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Some of you have heard about my tape recordings which are in 1958.

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A lot of you have been wondering whether if these tape recordings really are from space

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or spacecraft or space people, has it led to anything? What is it leading to?

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Well, I'm glad to say that it has led to something, and that is actual physical contact.

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And I have the permission to tell you a certain amount about it.

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Now, I must apologize if this lecture is not very well planned, because it was less than two days ago

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that I knew definitely that I was allowed to give it.

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Because I've made contact with people, and I've told you something about them,

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and for a long time I had to keep silent.

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Now, I've been told a great deal. I would say not as much as Adamowski,

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but a great deal I have been told, and I'm only allowed to give you about one-tenth of what I know

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for security reasons. You see?

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And I must ask you to bear with me. If I'm vague, it's because of the fact that I cannot tell you

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certain things, because if I were to tell you how I first met these people,

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then it might give you a clue. It might give somebody a clue.

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Not one of you, perhaps, but somebody who might hear about it,

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and they might try and pester the people concerned, which will be very, very embarrassing.

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Not only for the space people, and they are space people, they are real people,

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but also for the English people who help them.

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They are helped by a lot of our people, and these people, at least most of these people,

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do not know that they're helping space people.

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And if these people were to be traced, then there might be somebody going up

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and not only demanding specimens of their hair and their blood and their skin,

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in fact, one gentleman whom you'll know, I won't mention his name,

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he insisted when I hoped to make contact in 1959, he said,

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insist that, well, you must let us have a bit of their skin so we can prove that they are space people.

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And there's several hundred people who would insist on having a bit of their skin.

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The poor blighters wouldn't have any skin left.

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And they would also want their blood samples and hair samples, they'd be bald,

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and they'd have no blood or skin, and also television people, reporters, anthropologists,

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and television and newspaper men who would be pestering them,

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and their life would be absolutely unbearable.

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And also the people who are associated with them would also be pestered.

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So I have been told, in fact, I was given a very long bit of instruction less than two days ago

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saying what I could say at this lecture, they want me to disclose certain things.

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But when it comes to what I call a classified bit of information, I'm going to do this.

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And that means it's classified, I'm not going to answer.

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Is that understood?

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And I can assure you that it's no use trying to ply me with liquor,

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because the more I have to drink, the less I will say.

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And on the other hand, this person who rang me up has been very kind,

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and I had the idea that I would not only ask you to ask questions,

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but if there are some questions that I haven't asked or haven't got answers to,

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I would be very glad to make a note of them, and I cannot guarantee anything at all.

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And this person agreed that I mustn't guarantee, and I said,

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look, I can't guarantee anything, but I will try to put the question to them

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and then see if they give me an answer.

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And if you're kind enough to invite me to talk to you again, I may have a lot more information.

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So I have a little braille machine here.

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There's nothing space about this, it's an American model, Banks' Braille Machine.

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And I write in grade 3 braille, which is very, very compressed and which very few people can read.

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And I have what I'll do, I'll make a note of any questions, any points that you raise,

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and then I'll wrap up the little strips of paper, put them in these tins.

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Incidentally, in the bottom of my guitar case, there's a piece of braille there,

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and if somebody would kindly hand it to me, that has got a list of topics that I've been talking about with them.

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And I thought that when I finished this introductory talk, I would read out this list,

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and then you might like to make a note of certain questions.

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I've got information about various things, sometimes only a little scrap of information,

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but I've got things that may interest you as ufologists.

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Thank you very much.

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Right, well, now, I'll get it up the right way up first of all, I'm sure that's wrong.

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This is the right way up, or the glass, yes, that's a good idea.

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No, that's wrong.

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That's it.

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Topics, that's just topics.

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Yes, well, now, the first thing that I'll tell you is a lot of people have wondered,

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where do they come from?

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That's the first thing.

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Well, now, you're in for a surprise here.

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They do not come from our solar system originally.

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They come from far outside the solar system,

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and they are capable, a scientist, please note, of overdrive.

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By overdrive, I mean exceeding the speed of light.

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And when I expressed a certain surprise about this, this person said,

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oh, look, Philip, about 1800, it was stated definitely that anybody traveled more than 30 miles an hour would disintegrate.

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And I remember Harry Harper, who was probably the world's first air correspondent about 1910.

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He was told authoritatively that airfields were never going to go more than 100 miles an hour.

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And you remember just before, just after the war, when they began to break the sound barrier,

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my brother, who's a scientist, PhD in physics, he said he thought they'd never break through the sound barrier.

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And people have been talking recently about the light barrier, where they can travel faster than that.

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And what I can say is that the planet that this particular group comes from,

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from a planet, and I can tell you the name, it's called EODS.

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If you want to take it down, it's A-E-O-D-Z in our spelling.

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You see, I'm allowed to give certain of their names, I will say that.

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They can travel at a tremendous speed, apparently.

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I was told it took 30 days to get here, but another, what I call an elder,

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I'll tell you about an elder, the elder's in a minute, told me that it's more than that.

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And yet, when they say, they may say that they come from Venus or from the moon.

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Well, now that may be correct, because apparently they have bases on the planets in this solar system.

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You know very well that our astronauts will eventually have a base on the moon,

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but the moon is uninhabitable, so we think.

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The moon is uninhabitable, and yet we can have bases on it.

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because they will not tell me precisely which planets are inhabited,

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they do use, they may use Venus as a kind of, the word they use is bestop.

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That's about they use several times.

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And you'll find that the scientists say, the skeptical scientists say,

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that it is impossible for a flying source of the existence,

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because there's no where they can come from.

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Well, the thing is this, they have these bases, fairly near to us.

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I think they've got, I'm pretty sure they've got bases on the moon.

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And there's a certain amount of evidence for this,

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you've probably heard them in the second moon landing.

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What's the name of the, not explorer,

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what was the one that landed two years ago?

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No, not now, no, does anybody know?

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So there too, yes.

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Well, you know when our chaps came near to it, they, one of them said,

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and it was definitely heard over the radio,

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though they've suppressed it since,

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that he thought something had landed near to it.

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Well, anyway, that is the answer.

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They are able to come all this way,

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but I must now explain that I only know members of one group,

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and a more than one group here.

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These are the people that I know,

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and I know them, some of them, at least one of them,

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as well as I know anybody here.

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And although I haven't had the, I've never been in a spacecraft,

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still this have I been into outer space,

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but I have met them on the ground,

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and I've been far more mixed up with them, shall we say,

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far more involved with them than I think any other,

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at least more than Adam's, he met his people,

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on board, either in a café, or,

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and he was taken on board a craft,

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but with me, I've, they were more or less diplomats,

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and I've known these people when they were here,

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and I can assure you that sometimes when they're here,

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they're far from happy.

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and I've known them in a very, very bad state,

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because of the fear and the loneliness and isolation.

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was saying that our astronauts, when they go to the moon,

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they probably feel terribly lonely,

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at least when they're in space,

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even if they're in radio contact with the Earth.

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Well, no, that is where they come from,

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and now I'd like to debunk a lot of nonsense

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that's been flying about.

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There's been a frightful lot of nonsense

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for the simple reason that people have spun ideas

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about outer space, space people,

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without any actual knowledge of them.

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And what's one of the ideas is that they're etheric entities.

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That's one of the idea.

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Now, there is that they're low astral entities.

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One lady, by the way,

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when I was doing an investigation on the,

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of the phenomena of April the 25th last,

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she sent a track to me saying that these,

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these flying saucers are actually

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emanations of the devil.

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They enter the human being through his private parts,

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and they're actually, in fact, no bigger than a pinhead.

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Now, that's a lot of the nonsense that's going around.

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And some people think that these,

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these people are astral projections,

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and they're not real people at all,

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but I can assure you that they are solid.

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In fact, some of them are down-site solid, most of you.

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So they are real people.

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As for the, the fact that I know that they are from outer space,

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that would involve my giving too much away.

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So I'm afraid I can't tell you that.

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But I can tell you that I'm very glad to say

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that some of the recordings that I have,

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although by no means all, are definitely from them.

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And one which is on the machine now,

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which I hope you'll be able to hear,

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although I'm afraid it was very lightly recorded,

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was not only made on a spacecraft,

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but without having heard it,

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they were able to tell me that words, the words are on it.

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And I'm, I'm very pleased to say that one of them,

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who was then a girl, whose voice you'll hear, I now know her.

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And when I first met her, I didn't know who she was.

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and we had a very unhappy first meeting, I'm afraid,

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that then things became very different.

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We became very fond of each other, that's putting it mildly.

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Now I can give the name, the name was Bronja.

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And I'm allowed to give her name, that she uses now, that's Chesque.

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It's a funny name, but she's called Chesque.

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But unfortunately, she's been ill and had to go, go away.

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Whether she'll come back, I don't know, but she is on the tape.

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And I have been told how it was done.

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So there is a connection, there's a dynamic connection,

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between the space people and these tapes of mine.

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But as for the other groups, I don't really know anything about.

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But I have some information here,

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and I thought that after this introductory talk,

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I would like to read out in my, I can write it better than I can read it,

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so I may read it very badly.

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But here is a list of topics that I'm willing to talk about.

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One that I forgot, by the way, to type out was the Flatwood monster.

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I've been told how that was done, and the purpose for which it was done,

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it may surprise you a little bit.

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And connected with that is the big cigar sighting.

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I don't know whether I wrote it for Cosmos,

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so I think I wrote it for Chris Rosa's magazine,

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about a wonderful sighting of a spaceship over Burbage Brook,

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that's near to us in Derbyshire.

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Now, I've been given precise information on that,

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and if you'd like to know that, about that I'll tell you.

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But now I'll read through the list.

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The first one is Earth history.

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That's going back to the early population of this planet.

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The next one is Captain Mantell.

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But I mustn't tell you too much about that,

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because I haven't discussed that two nights ago,

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and part of it may be classified.

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Now, the next one is Kenneth Arnold.

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I've got some information on him.

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Now, I've got information.

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This was, as a result of a discussion, a question that I've had answered,

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lays.

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You know the lays, the lines travelling all across the country and across Europe.

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I've got information on them.

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The next thing is, now this is entirely mundane,

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and I was in a bus, we were talking about lung cancer.

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The next thing, I have a little information on Christ, just a little.

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Then, the next one, a little bit on Adamski,

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although they don't want me to talk too much about him.

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The next one, Elevators.

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Now, this is a technical matter,

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and this concerns the three-ball landing gear,

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which everybody speculates about, about on the sources.

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I've information on those, and that again will surprise you.

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My tape recordings, well, I've covered that, haven't I?

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I must tell you about one that nearly made one of them,

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I mentioned a word on my tape recordings,

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nearly made one of them faint.

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Quasars, now this is very important about quasars.

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This is connected with a propulsion.

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One of the contacts told me, she complained,

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she said, you know, you people, you are not interested in us.

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All you want to know is how to make bill-flying sources

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so that you can bomb people.

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That's what she said, you're not interested in us,

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or I'm interested in them.

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Next, information on Howard Manger.

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Next, on the Rev. Dr. George King.

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Holes in Time.

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That's one subject connected with Kinder Scout, near to us.

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Next one, telepathy.

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Now, then I've got a lot to tell you about speech and telepathy,

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and things like that.

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Also, by the way, about breathing.

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They do have great difficulty in breathing our atmosphere,

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but not quite for the reason that you think.

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Now, the next one is the first of children.

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Oh, both.

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I'm sorry, that's a B.

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Both of children, that'll surprise you a little bit.

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The...

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Oh, education.

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Some of their methods of education,

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little bits of information I've been given,

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and I've been given about what their planet is like.

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A basis.

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Oh, yes.

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I can tell you now where their bases are.

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I'm allowed to tell you this.

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This group, that is, they have four bases.

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At least they had four.

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One has gone, has been disbanded,

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and that was in the north of England.

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Another base is in Scotland.

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Another base is in Canada.

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And the best of all is in South America.

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So now you know.

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And that's all I'm saying.

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I don't know any of the others except the one that was here.

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So now you know where the bases are.

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The king...

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Oh, the Loch Ness Monster.

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A little bit of information on that.

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A little bit of information on acupuncture,

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which I had treatment,

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which cured my tendency towards diabetes.

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Now I'm going the other side now,

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if I can find it.

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I can't make out what that word is.

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I can't make out what that word is.

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Eating meat.

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A little bit about eating meat.

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Music.

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I've got a bit of information about music, being music.

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Telephone.

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Oh, yes.

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About the amazing abilities they have

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of inducing telephone calls.

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Our breath, breathing our atmosphere, which I mentioned.

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Instruments, music.

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Oh, instruments left in the ground.

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Alahoumanga.

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I've experienced one of those.

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X-ray vision, which they've given me a certain amount of X-ray vision.

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Time.

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Oh, they're communities.

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They're life on their planet.

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Oh, underground railways, yes.

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The underground railways.

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There's a very amusing little incident about that.

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Take a little about my...

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I've got some information about their tapes.

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Their method of recording.

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Induced voices, induction of voices.

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That's where my tape recording is coming.

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I had a demonstration of how they are able to induce voices.

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Four...

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What's this?

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Oh, dogs.

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Information about dogs.

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I'm sorry about that.

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I crossed a bit out.

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No blind people.

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They have no blind people on their planet.

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Who was she?

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Yes, that was a word that was recorded in my tapes.

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I'll tell you about that if you like.

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Local dialects.

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How they are able to learn our local dialects.

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There are certain things I'm not allowed to tell you about,

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but I can tell you a little bit about it.

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The Stoneton-Gusk catastrophe of 1908.

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I've got some information on that.

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And a little bit of their language.

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Now, those are the main topics.

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So, with this introductory talk,

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I think I'll stop now

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and hand you over to Norman.

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I don't know whether Molly's going to sing again.

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But you'll have plenty of questions to ask, I'm sure.

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Well, Molly will be singing again after the interval, Phillip.

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I think what I will do before the T-interval,

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which we will be having between 5 and 10 past 8,

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something like that,

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I think I will leave questions until after the interval again

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and ask you in the meantime in the next course of an hour

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to tell us something about few of the items that you've already mentioned.

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Yes.

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The first one I must say is intrigued me a little.

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The Flatwoods monster. Can you enlighten us on that?

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Yes, I can.

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This is a thing that they've done several times.

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A person sees something that they're not supposed to see.

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Something that they may see a little bit too much.

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So, what they do is this.

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There's no monster there at all.

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They have the ability to project television pictures

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in colour, three dimensions and without a screen.

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Any of you who've read Adamski's second book will know

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that he sat in the room in the Big Mothership

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and he was given a projection of pictures from Venus

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with no particular point, no screen or anything like that.

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Well, now that's what they would do in the case of the Flatwoods monster.

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In order to erase the memory of what they'd really seen,

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they would project this picture of this monster to them

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and that would erase the memory and they forget all about the other thing.

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Now then, that's one case and now I'd like to tell you the story of Mrs. Buxton.

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When I first took up Flying Sources in 1956,

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no, in about April 1957 it was,

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I decided to go round our village and find out if anybody had seen anything.

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By the way, if you haven't done it already, I suggest you do that.

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It's a very interesting and enlightening job to do,

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to try to investigate past sightings.

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And I found four very good ones.

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One was of a flying train before the war by Mrs. Pleasance.

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I'm allowed to give these names.

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Mrs. Pleasance saw this.

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I know I've seen her daughter Janik quite a bit recently

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and she saw a flying train going through the sky.

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I haven't asked about this and it looked as if it had carried windows

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and this was long before anybody dreamt about Flying Sources.

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But the best sighting was by a very quiet lady,

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Mrs. Buxton, whose husband used to own Fox House Garage.

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I knew her husband and her daughter Norma,

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but I didn't know her because she was a very retiring person.

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And there was an article in the paper in the spring of 1957

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and Mr. Buxton said to my sister,

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my wife has seen something marvellous.

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She's a most reliable person

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and she'd like Philip to know about it,

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so I went up and she told me the following story.

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When she was walking along Verbage Book,

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it was a beautiful day

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and over the surprise rocks,

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I'd have to take you there to give you the idea of the environment.

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She saw something dark filling the sky

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and there was a huge cigar shaped craft

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about 2,000 feet long.

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Judging by the altitude and the angle,

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it was dark brown, had flat ends

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and absolutely no features at all,

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apart from a huge metallic plate across the middle.

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And this was going about 120-140 miles an hour.

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Going straight overhead and suddenly she heard the sound of an engine

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and from the other direction she saw an aeroplane.

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An ordinary aeroplane,

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she wasn't interested in the aeroplane,

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and it appeared that they were going to crash.

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She was rather frightened,

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but fortunately the aeroplane went over the big craft,

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which sailed lightly along,

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and then she was amazed that the aeroplane

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hadn't appeared to take any notice.

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After the craft had passed in this direction,

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she looked in that direction for the aeroplane

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to see if it would bank round and turn to have another look.

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But he didn't, he went straight on.

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Then she looked back and the big craft had gone.

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But the funny thing was this, there was a sighting,

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a few minutes later, over Hillsborough,

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for which this craft was headed.

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You see, I could see considerably better than I can now,

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much better in fact.

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I plotted it on the map and I found that this thing

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went over unpopulated country,

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apart from Little Langston,

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and then over Hillsborough where there was a sighting.

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It was unpopulated country.

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Well, Mrs. Brackson hadn't told anybody except me,

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the family, she told the family, but she didn't tell me.

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And unfortunately I couldn't register it as a sighting

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because of the fact that there was no date it was given.

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Anyway, all kinds of people came along with explanations.

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One explanation I had by thought communication

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was that our aircraft have a very narrow field of vision,

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and he probably didn't see it,

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he probably thought it was seeing things

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and going a bit lower over the ground or something like that.

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Another one anthroposophical friend of mine

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gave the most delightfully Freudian explanation,

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which I can't give to before decent ladies and gentlemen.

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And Mr. Peter Maysfield,

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my friend Tony Redd, I went to see him

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and he explained that this was an experimental airship

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made by the RAF.

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The only thing I got that explanation,

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that the airship was built in 1957 or 1958,

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and this took place in 1954.

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So therefore it was a piece of precognition.

448
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No, then I've just been given the explanation.

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This is what they did.

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It wasn't a craft at all, it was a projection.

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The idea was that Mrs. Buxton was a very sensitive

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and a very discreet person.

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By the way, the account she gave me was deadly accurate.

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It was perfectly true.

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What they did was they wanted to rivet her attention on the sky,

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and that very active riveting attention

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would influence people several miles away in Hillsborough.

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So they prepared them to make their sighting.

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She said that I've always assumed that what they saw

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was what she saw, because I've never been able to trace the account

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in the newspaper.

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A friend of mine was searched for ages and could never find it.

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We think that the space people put a kind of bake on it.

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But what happened was they saw something different,

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and it was a very good sighting, but it wasn't what she saw.

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That was actually a three-dimensional projection.

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And that's what they can do.

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In the case of Flatwood monsters and things like that,

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they can project these things.

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Now, I'm only saying what I'm told,

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and I'm allowed to give this out, this bit of information out.

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Right, that's one.

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Well, I took just looking down my list,

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but it got two items here following on one another,

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that looked as though they said,

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legs and chest, but on looking more closely,

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I see they're Lazy Christ.

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But I think I'll pass those over,

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and go on to one that I know is made dear to your own heart,

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the subject of George King.

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What can you tell us about him?

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The person who ordered laughter.

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The mention of him, particularly when I gave an imitation of

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Miles 2nd to 6th!

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And also, I told him about how he was singing a popular song

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and a yogi jumped through the window or something like that.

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I had peels of laughter.

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And I was told of what a $50 doctor.

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So I'd rather not say any more than that.

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I think that's enough, isn't it?

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Probably, yes.

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Well, all right, let's...

493
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,000
We'll have questions afterwards.

494
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Brian, after tea, I think.

495
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:20,000
There's one thing that's going from one that's perhaps dear to your heart,

496
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,000
and everyone looks not exactly dear to mind,

497
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000
but very well known to it. Captain Mantell.

498
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Yes.

499
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Oh, well, now there's one thing I'd rather not say,

500
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000
because I haven't...

501
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,000
one thing that nobody knows, but it was a genuine sighting.

502
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000
That's all I can say, but I'm...

503
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000
What I'll do, I'll make a note of Captain Mantell,

504
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000
but I was told something that's rather astonishing about it.

505
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
It was genuine all right.

506
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
He wasn't seeing spots before his eyes,

507
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
nor was he chasing the planet Venus.

508
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,000
To see if I'm allowed to give away this piece of information.

509
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000
Just put...

510
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
I've got a bit discreet about that, because it was a subject...

511
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000
You see, I was asked over the phone,

512
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000
are there any other subjects you want to cover?

513
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000
You know, when you haven't got your notes ready,

514
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,000
you forget odd things, don't you?

515
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
And so I couldn't cover this one particular thing,

516
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,000
bit of information.

517
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Oh, one of the things I can tell you is this.

518
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000
They were very, very upset, right?

519
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,000
And Gavin Gibbons told me that there's an unofficial report

520
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,000
that he said that Captain Mantell said that the thing is full of windows,

521
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000
and there are people looking at me.

522
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,000
Now, then, the answer I got was, we were.

523
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000
But as for the most astonishing thing,

524
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
I'd rather not mention that.

525
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
So I can say this, that it was a great tragedy to them,

526
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,000
as it was to us, and as it was genuine.

527
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,000
I think perhaps that some people will be interested in,

528
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:02,000
because you mentioned the description of what their home planet might be like.

529
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Yes, I'm allowed to say this.

530
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Well, it seemed to fit Mars, but it isn't Mars.

531
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000
They said it's beautiful, absolutely marvellous.

532
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,000
And their greatest difficulty is water.

533
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,000
They have very little water, and they've built,

534
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:26,000
they originally built artificial waterways, kind of canals, waterways anyway,

535
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,000
but they've become natural now.

536
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000
I mean, they've been eroded through the years.

537
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,000
And they say it rather reminds them of Norway,

538
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000
a little bit reminiscent of Norway.

539
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000
As for their weather, they say they have no weather.

540
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000
They just have no weather changes at all.

541
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,000
And they find a hot day, very, very oppressive.

542
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000
I was out with one of them on a hot day,

543
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,000
and also on a cold day, and freezing all over.

544
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
The person was wearing a nice, thick coat.

545
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000
And one thing that'll amuse you is that when there was a wind,

546
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000
like, oh, I can breathe now.

547
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,000
Well, now, the amusing thing about their transport,

548
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,000
they do not have these flying cars.

549
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000
That's not their planet.

550
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000
They have all underground railways, rather like our London Underground.

551
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,000
Only they have, this is a very amusing thing to me,

552
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
they just have a single tunnel, they only have a single track,

553
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
they don't run double tracks.

554
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,000
And one of them, when I just knew where she was from,

555
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,000
she said, Philip, what's it like in a train?

556
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
That was on the phone.

557
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
I thought, haven't you been in one?

558
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
She told me out, but she'd never been in a train.

559
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000
And she came to our house, and she was going through it,

560
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
and she was in a diesel train, you see,

561
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,000
and diesel rail car, and she liked it.

562
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Only she had a terrible fight, they went into a tunnel,

563
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
and she saw another train coming for them.

564
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
And she thought it was headed straight for them.

565
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
She had just a shock of her life,

566
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000
and she didn't realize it was going past, you see.

567
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000
So that's a little bit about their transport.

568
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Now, I was ticked off for, I was rather ticked off for telling them too much.

569
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,000
I'm sorry, I'm off to say I was distracted by Honey's Bell.

570
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Is that Honey's Bell? No.

571
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000
It's something that's right.

572
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Oh, is it? I wondered what it was, because I'm very sensitive to sounds.

573
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000
I was ticked off for asking frivolous questions,

574
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,000
but to us, their transport methods are interesting.

575
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Now, I was told about their life.

576
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,000
One of them, I knew, was a very rare specimen.

577
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,000
She said it's rather like a giant panda.

578
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
And this person was literally a panda too.

579
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000
I served hand and foot, you know, looked after hand and foot.

580
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,000
And this person wasn't really fit to come here,

581
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000
because she wasn't strong enough, she wasn't tough enough,

582
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,000
she didn't know enough, she led a secluded life and didn't know enough, you see.

583
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,000
She wasn't really suited, but evidently she'd badgered them to bring her here.

584
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Now, then she lived in a thing like a Spanish colonial house, I was told.

585
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Now, then, as for the other way of life, I said,

586
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000
I've tried to find out what I could.

587
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
One of the things I know is this, they haven't had any wars for ages.

588
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
No wars at all.

589
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
So in that way, they are very much more civilized than we are.

590
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:36,000
And also, I've gathered that they live in a kind of, it's rather like a holiday camp.

591
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Sometimes it's walled.

592
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000
That will probably be very ancient when it's walled, but it's rather like a holiday camp.

593
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,000
And their houses, they have not chalets like ours, but their houses with flat roofs.

594
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,000
And they meet together, they only meet together for a meal about once or twice a week.

595
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000
And they have concentrated vitamins and pastes and things like that.

596
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,000
And when they're working, ordinarily, they just have these things.

597
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:11,000
And they have a social occasion, I said about once a week, meals.

598
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,000
And they have something rather like coffee, very much like coffee, artificial.

599
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,000
It's Ezatz, definitely, but it's very good, they tell me.

600
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,000
And one of the things that's going to surprise you is this, that normally they do not speak.

601
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
They can't, the majority of them can't.

602
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Because the speech organ is apparently like the appendix, it's been allowed to degenerate.

603
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,000
And on the whole, they don't speak. They communicate telepathically.

604
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:50,000
And they're so used to it that they'll sit next to each other and they'll talk that way telepathically.

605
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,000
Now, I myself have a certain amount of telepathic ability.

606
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000
And I've been given a lot of tips by them.

607
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:05,000
I have a little object, I'm not going to show it, I don't think I'm safe to show it.

608
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000
I have a little object which I use to help me with telepathy.

609
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:17,000
And although they say I'm very poor, it's true that I have done some very good, I have astonished them with what I've seen with it.

610
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,000
I can't always use it, I can't use it for telepathic conversation.

611
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:28,000
And one of them who was taking me from the station said, I have you a mental block?

612
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Because I couldn't speak, I couldn't telepathize normally.

613
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000
And I tell them, well, that's hardly anybody in this planet who can.

614
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Well, now, one of them has had, I can say this, has had evidently a larynx transplanted.

615
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000
And some of them can speak perfectly.

616
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,000
But when they come here for the first time, they can hardly speak at all.

617
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,000
But, and this is where my tape recordings come in.

618
00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:02,000
I've had several tape recordings where my voice or somebody else's voice has been made to say something that they didn't say.

619
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
For instance, I give you an example.

620
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000
A little dust room next door which sparked a great deal.

621
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,000
On my tape, it's heard to say, ah, ah, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.

622
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
See? Now that's on my tape.

623
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
So I haven't got it with me, but I could let you hear that.

624
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,000
And there are several others where my voice is heard to say, hello, ah, ah, like a cork, you see.

625
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Make a sound that I can't make.

626
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:33,000
And what they do is they take an existing person there and that person's voice is used by form of induction.

627
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000
And they've even had these induced voices over the telephone.

628
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,000
So I'm afraid I'm straight a little bit, but the point is this, that normally in their life they do not speak.

629
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Although they have a language, and I asked about why do they have a language if they don't speak?

630
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Well, this language is a kind of tradition, rather like something from the past that they've still kept.

631
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:04,000
And I, if you like to know a greeting, nihala tu, to which they replied, nihala tu ke.

632
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Now that's very much like a word I recorded on my tapes in 1957, hrashidu.

633
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:20,000
When I use this over the phone, the person has a nearly fainted and said, oh, it's a long time since I've heard that, on this person's home planet.

634
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000
So that's a little bit about their life.

635
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
They lead another way.

636
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,000
They say that one of them said, it's too dull, it's too perfect.

637
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Their life is too perfect, absolutely perfect.

638
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000
It's heaven.

639
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
And to come to earth is a challenge.

640
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,000
We feel we want to suffer, and by ghost I have suffered here, I can tell you.

641
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
And we don't mind.

642
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
We come with a full idea that we might suffer.

643
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
And they confirm my idea.

644
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:56,000
You know, they're a ridiculous idea, but I hope I'm not feeding anybody's tones, but nobody believes in heaven, as is told, you know,

645
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,000
the traditional idea of a creature, a tranging harps and angels and all that kind of thing.

646
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:13,000
I could tell you several stories about the conventional idea of heaven, nor does anybody believe in Muhammad and how the men will have beautiful black-eyed females with very big breasts and all that.

647
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,000
He pointed that in the clear arm, and young men will serve them with fruits and all that kind of thing.

648
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:29,000
Well, now, what I gather is this, that although it's terribly distorted, the Christian and other idea of heaven, the happy hunting ground and the illusian fields,

649
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,000
is really a race memory of life on another planet.

650
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Now, it's very, very distorted.

651
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:46,000
I mean distorted out of all recognition, but the people feel that there is a, or there was a kind of heaven to which they wish to return.

652
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:57,000
And one thing that I can give you this bit of information, that they've told me, several of them have told me, that the black races on this planet are the indigenous ones, are indigenous.

653
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
The black and the brown, the Indians, are earth people.

654
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:10,000
All the white people, I don't know about the Chinese and the Japanese, but the white people originally go back to either the descendants of space people,

655
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:17,000
or they are the kind of half-descend, you know, or crossed mixed marriages.

656
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Now, that's the thing.

657
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000
Peter Caddis had came to the Cain Conclusion, I think, long before I heard this, but this is what I have been told.

658
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,000
It's a pretty staggering thought, but we are not basically indigenous to this planet.

659
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,000
And that's why the space people are white.

660
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,000
They come and they come here.

661
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Some of them are very white indeed, white are the most of us.

662
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
That's the reason.

663
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:50,000
And this, as I said, I can't prove this, and I can't prove it to you, but I'm just telling you what I've been told.

664
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Well, one other point you mentioned, Philip, the case of Howard Manger.

665
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000
Yes.

666
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Now, perhaps you might like to say, first of all, a little about what he alleges happened to him anyway, and then watch your contact.

667
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Think about it.

668
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Well, the only information I have, when I asked one of them, this person said, oh, charming fellow.

669
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,000
And another one said, yes, we contacted him when he was 14.

670
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
We made his first contact when he was 14.

671
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Apart from that, the rest of the story, they haven't told me.

672
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
But I can tell you about the strange instruments.

673
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Yes, I've had a lot of information about this.

674
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,000
Well, not information, confirmation.

675
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
You know that he said, I suppose you've already said his story.

676
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
I think most of you.

677
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,000
You know some people have said that he's a charlatan and that he was put up to it by the American Air Force.

678
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000
That's a story, I think.

679
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Well, he did say that he was in a car with a man in a warm, two men.

680
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:55,000
And in the back seat were some things about the size, colour green, I think, the size of shoeboxes,

681
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:05,000
which were instruments which they place in the ground and they can gather whether the people are interested in the subject

682
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000
and various things from these instruments.

683
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:12,000
And one of the things that intrigued both my friend Tony and I was that they said

684
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
that they cannot work without a human terminal, without somebody there.

685
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Now, it's always been my experience with my tape recordings that I've got to be there.

686
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
I've got to be either in the building and not necessarily in the same room,

687
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,000
but I've got to be in the house and I've got to be awake, otherwise the recordings would not come.

688
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:39,000
So, now then, I'll tell you this, I was going for a walk with one of them, a lady by the way,

689
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:45,000
and I've been on the same walk several times and several times she's milked down and she said

690
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:52,000
I'm just taking the turf off this one and another time she covered it up again because it was too exposed.

691
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
I never saw what it was.

692
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:03,000
She said, oh, I think I mentioned how I'm saying, oh yes, kind of thing.

693
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Incidentally, if they don't want to ask a question, they often start taking the mickey,

694
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,000
because they have very jolly people. One of them knew how many of the poo.

695
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:17,000
They know everything about us, they want to appear as much like us as possible.

696
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:23,000
They know all the corny jokes, although sometimes I had to explain one to them

697
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,000
and sometimes I've had to explain what certain words mean, but they don't know.

698
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,000
I mean, this kind of thing, one of them told me the train arriving at number four, five and six

699
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000
platform will be coming in sideways. That's a terrestrial joke, of course, but...

700
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Yes, this, I'm sorry, about Harmingha, that's now, I can't go beyond that,

701
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,000
whether he did go to the moon or not, I don't know, but he did make contact with them, according to them.

702
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Well, I've got quite a number of stories here, Philip, but I think I'll...

703
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Since it's one that I've concerned me, I must admit I'd be a little intrigued to know what they consider

704
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
happened at Scorish.

705
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,000
I thought that was coming, yes. Well, now, the story...

706
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,000
I must agree with it, mind you.

707
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
I must agree with it. Unfortunately, there's one bit I can't tell, I've been asked not to tell you.

708
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:26,000
But this is what I was told, you can say this, Philip, that initially a contact was made, it was a real contact.

709
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:34,000
But I was told this, that Bryant didn't think that people would believe it, so he got together with some friends

710
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:42,000
and elaborated on it a bit. And I don't... I think that the story about Yamsky is not true,

711
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:48,000
but they did remark that he looked like a Yamsky. They did remark upon that.

712
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:58,000
And after that, he turned it into a hoax, and that I don't think that the parts of Mantel's plane are from Mantel's plane.

713
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,000
I think that was added. But it started with an initial contact.

714
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Now, you can accept it or reject it, if you like.

715
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000
I'll pass on to the next one.

716
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:18,000
I hope this doesn't involve Scorishon as well, I've a hard description at night. The Stony Tenguska.

717
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Yes, oh, this is a beauty, this one.

718
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Now then, you probably heard of a certain person called Scotty.

719
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:38,000
Now, he claims to have been to the Stony Tenguska region in about 1920, I think it was, early 1920s to investigate it.

720
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,000
And in fact, I was writing up a story about it. And it's very interesting indeed.

721
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:48,000
I personally think he did go because of his knowledge. He got the coordinates, he got everything right.

722
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Now then, I then wrote a letter to Radio Moscow.

723
00:43:53,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Excuse me, can I just put in here for a minute, in case people don't realise that the Stony Tenguska refers to the Russian-Siberian meteorite.

724
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Yes.

725
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000
The Tenguska meteorite.

726
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Yes, sorry for that.

727
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Yes, oh well, I'll tell you what happened. It was early in June, about 7 o'clock in the morning, when thousands of people saw this thing, a huge...

728
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000
I thought I'd do that. Sorry. Was it full?

729
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
No.

730
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,000
I'm just gonna thank you all for now, depending on which way you look at it.

731
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Oh, sorry.

732
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Yes. Well, now this thing was coming flying along. They said it was tubular in shape, long, tubular shape and glowing, tread-cherry red.

733
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:45,000
And it was a some people thing, in fact, this was in a broadcast about my, in an answer to my letter from Radio Moscow,

734
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Professor Tegel think it's changed direction twice.

735
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:56,000
And then it was about to come down, when it, they think it turned its nose upwards, and then there was a terrible explosion.

736
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:05,000
And it set the, it set the voice light and everything, and made holes in the ground, not wheel craters, but holes, which are now filled with lakes, I understand.

737
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Filled holes in the ground, and no trace was found.

738
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:19,000
And it was, it was flying very fast, but I say, I don't believe it was a meteorite, because it must have crashed on the ground, and it must have come down at an angle.

739
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,000
And this object, as Boris Belitsky said in the broadcast about it, it was in level flight.

740
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:34,000
And it was a big object, and if it had been a meteorite, a lot of meteoric dust must have been found. And it wasn't.

741
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Now then, the Russian scientists, the original idea was called a meteorite. They still call it the Stonit-Inguska meteorite,

742
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000
but then after that, the Russian scientists came to a conclusion it was a comet.

743
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Mr. Belitsky said that immediately afterwards there was, there was dust in the sky as far as the west of Ireland.

744
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:07,000
That's been found out. And in this program, which was done a couple of years ago, they said that there is a school of thought that thought it was a nuclear explosion from a spaceship from outer space.

745
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,000
And that idea, that judging by the growth wings of the trees, that may be possible.

746
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:20,000
But the explanation I've been given was this, that it was not an accident.

747
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:28,000
It was a way of bailing, more or less bailing out, that they were flying along, that people bailed out,

748
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:36,000
and then it was made to explode over what they thought was an unpopulated region, so as to leave no trace.

749
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Now that's what I was told, and this person said, well you know there are a lot of tall people about in that part of Siberia.

750
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:51,000
And they apparently descended from the people who were in it. Now that's my story.

751
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,000
I feel some detail into this.

752
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Well, afterwards perhaps, I've just been given the thumbs up signal from outside actually,

753
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:07,000
which indicates that tea and coffee are now served. So we'll have a tea and coffee break now for about half an hour.